Doctor Manhattan is one of the most formidable beings around but his powers are all based on what it is possible. Follow 75. not_anakin. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. ) as regarding LT, you really must have. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. Copy. Wiki Points. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. #12 Edited By Pr_Beyonder @Crom-Cruach: Don't forget the regenerator G1 cell that allows Godzilla to regrow any amount of damage as long as he has regenerator cell present in his body,allowing him. And PR Beyonder isn't omnipotent either and TR is in a completely separate cosmology created by Grant Morrison with an over monitor and his monitors as angels by Grant. ago. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. FollowPR Beyonder was never defeated in combat, no one can defeat him. 0. The thing is , Beyonder shrugged off a blast that "would have destroyed 1 million dimensions". Forums. EDIT: About Beyonder being gullible and "getting his power's stolen". If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. g2_ Follow 14321. My gut is Monarch?Stomp. Elaine Belloc; HOTU ThanosCant find this either O_O; Im sure this was done though. The Presence. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. m99. FollowHere's the deal. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. The Two fight in the beyond realm. A . 11 years ago. And Secret Wars Beyonder would annihilate all versions. Marvel TeamPR Beyonder & PR Molecule Man & Oblivion & Beyonders (entire Race) & Thanos & Galactus (composite) & Abstract EntPR Beyonder:Loved the feeling of not being omnipotent and deciced I'll spare yall. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Gen. This is pre-retcon Beyonder. 7740. PR Beyonder wins. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. One on one, most people would say that PR. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Minor nitpick. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. So I thought I'd try to level the playing field. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. The closest I can think of are Lucifer Morningstar and/or Michael. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. Michael and Lucy. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Both equally were sharing same body as explained in mutant x #32. First Firmament (Maybe biased)ALTERNATE VERSION: THE AFTERMATH OF SUPERMAN PRIME vs MONARCH: After defeating Monarch & the demise of Universe 51, Superman Prime senses that hisPR Beyonder should have no problem soloing, even if everyone else was in the other team. Dr. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Basically this. Apr 2014. Who is a better god like figure? This thread is archived. vs. TOAA is above all. LT did not get involved in the Beyonder/Owen fight, because he knew he was outmatched, and Owen was the multiverse's only hope. 3rd. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. Wiki Points. is TOAA, or at least part of him. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. So you cant say ToAA > Pr Beyonder. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. Funny, didn. PR Beyonder is a casual multiverse buster. . PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. All are at maximum power fight is to the death or ko. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. Wiki Points. 13 years. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. That feat alone puts him solidly above Lucifer who's best "multiversal" feat was destroying the mirrors, which he didn't even do by himself. Lucifer is stated to be second ONLY TO THE JEWISH GOD (Yahweh). In the Presence's case, Perpetua can create and destroy multiverses, The Judges are above her and the Presence is above them both. 11,059. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. 0. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. 6 years ago deactivated. Yeah, but PR Beyonder had LT shaking in his wee booties. A fraction is still much more power than basic reality warping. 14 from eithe side. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. Nobody can beat PR Beyonder. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. This puts Beyonder at LT+ with MM a close second, followed by the Beyonders and HOTU. M. KingOfAsh. I hear people say HoTU Thanos = TOAA but I have my doubts, I personally think it's just a fraction of TOAA's power. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Beyonder escaped. Destroying the metaverse, which is stated to be. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. R3: Pre-Crisis Superman. Beyonder easily. lannfear. PR Beyonder solo with utter ease. Put MM on the other team and the result is the same. Oct 30, 2006. I don't know a. 0. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. Wiki Points. ". Mate living tribunal has killed the beyonder. @asuva: @takenstew22: @shadow411: Ren and Reinhard paints the Law of the entire reality itself. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. Forum Posts. Nah, it’s generally recognised that PR Beyonder is above TOAA and the Presence. Yes he is, I don't expect you to read comics to know that. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. 5. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. PR Beyonder is literally beyond the abilities of all things within the Marvel-verse combined. Reviews: 4. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. He is another universe, pre-big bang. The heavy hitters for team marvel are PR beyonder, PR molecule man, post-secret wars III molecule man, living tribunal, multiversal eternity, multiversal death. And pr beyonder was never the writer, stop the cap. Followers. . Even with her 50/50 negated by her spear, Gungnir, Othinus is in no way comparable to the likes of PR Beyonder or even Beyonder post-retcon. With just the Beyonders it would be a good battle and "might" even favor the DC trio for the win. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. Silver Age Superman doesn't have universe+ feats which the Cosmic Cube Beyonder had and PR Beyonder was beyond multiverse+ level. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. PF wont last 1 minute in the fight. Jul 30, 2018. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. If The Presence go to Beyond-verse (the pre-retconed one) or to Marvel , he will lose against TOAA or PR Beyonder because he won't be omnipotent there. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread. Wiki Points. BEYONDERGOD. 13 years ago. Since he knows past. Just wanna point out, nexus beyonder is a thing, the goblin queen merged with beyonder corpse and gained part of his essence. MM is powerful enough to rebuild the marvel multiverse completely from scratch, and he was nowhere near as strong as PR Beyonder when they fought during SW2. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. I'm not sure that PR MM is as strong as TLT because even when PR Beyonder and PR MM fought and stalemated, Beyonder as stated by MM only used a fraction of his power. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. Primal monitor has done zilch, but its implied that he was similar to PR beyonder. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. Random encounter. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Van_Cere. Morals off, No prep, random encounter, No BFR, The battle takes place in Tokyo, Japan. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. #41 cdavis6149. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. Based on physics, molecules, space and time. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. @Pr_Beyonder: uncle ben is a boss the LT qoutes him in all honesty he does loose every round except possibly 1 and 5 also hank prime would have to be pressing way more than 1. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. This topic is locked from further discussion. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. Yes. 10 years ago. Living Tribunal. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. lizyatearita. 11 years ago. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Apr 2014. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. Weakest character that would beat him for a majority is PR Beyonder. Even someone with 0 knowledge of PR Beyonder could look through that or just google and realize this is unholy in terms of the level of stomp. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. Adding God Doom is just too much. 13 years ago. Beyonder solos. The one who shines like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos can beat Cosmic Armor Superman. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. No chance of being omnipotent. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. However Lucifer ig is the same. A universe that is more powerful. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. I just think with 15 minutes, they can pull something off. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. Nothing more needs to be said. PR Beyonder. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. Still "omniverse" is a nonsense. @majestic99. Yet, is not responsible for creation. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. And to OP I say Korvac wins this. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. 9 years ago. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Beyonder was stated to be MILLIONS of times more powerful than THE MULTI-VERSE(at the time equal to OMNI-VERSE) COMBINED. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Follow 334. Aside from them, PR-Beyonder is the strongest being in marvel. Beyonder 39%. Follow 2797. Beyonder in a curbstomp. I’m goin wit Batman. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Side note: I'm using this version of. #1. . Another thing about the. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. #1 KalKent1297. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. Post-Retcon Beyonder vs a Full-Powered Franklin Richards. Beyonder was either just omnipotent or the closest to it that anyone has gotten without being it. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Originally posted by Air Legend Beyonder in a curbstomp. -5. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. PR Beyonder is the lesser of the two, so there we have it. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. Forum Posts. This group is a joke compared to Celestials. I almost think they should be banned. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. If Doom goes at full confidence in. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. HOTU Thanos. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. Follow 16064. She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. Forum Posts. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. Morals off. 63 results. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that he. Round 1: CAS vs. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. Basically this. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. The Beyonder is strong, but not exactly the strongest. @mazeraiii said: Beyonder solo's. I almost think they should be banned. Next panel PR Beyonder moonwalks onto the scene. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. During Secret Wars 1985 the Beyonder wanted Rachel to destroy the M‘Kraan Crystal, which would erase the multiverse from existence. Crom-Cruach. The Beyonder First Appeared In 'Secret Wars'. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. Yes: PR beyonder, PR molecule man, toaa, toba, toba. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. #1 Edited By gokupwnzalllol. Knowsbleed33 says: "PR Beyonder took out a group of Celestials with ease. The deciding factor imo is that Lucifer is a bloody genius. . Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. Of this, The Beyonder is the Supreme Being of that Outerverse, which is orders of magnitude larger than the Infinite Multivwrse. deactivated-5edd330f57b65. They are not the same character. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. He could quite literally blink Dr Manhattan out of existence. Start off twenty feet away. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. @laflux said: MOM. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. The Two fight in the beyond realm. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. Follow 26437. The art work and what not is horrible. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. PR Beyonder by feats and by on-panel dialogue. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. 4 years ago. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. The Empty Hand blinks PR-Beyonder off the comic book page if he so desires and that is before he made the Oblivion Machine. @kingant27 said:. he would get tricked out of his powers without having a sure fire way of getting them back like he did with Dr. Without the Pre-Retcon clause, Beyonder is ridiculously hosed, being outclassed by a Cosmic Cube. Following Secret. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. Doom. Forum Posts. Win by death, KO, incap. We're talking about a guy who recreated the omniverse just by thinking about it and decimated the entire multiverse just. 0. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to him. PR Beyonder. The only real threat to him was the PR Molecule man, who challenged him to a universe breaking smack down which was pretty much a draw. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 13 years ago. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. 0. 9 years ago. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. Nobody in Marvel or DC aside from the Primal Monitor (DC) or TOAA (Marvel) have the slightest chance against PR Beyonder. . TR was created by this. Manhattan are beings that. Just no.